there is no effort without error and shortcoming. at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while going greatly. he shall never be with the cold and timid souls who don't know victory or defeat. piers morgan tonight starts right now. when they first told me i would be interviewed by piers morgan, i was like who is piers morgan. the quintessential rock star. this guy has taken every drug known to man. slept with most of america and he's fought everybody that gets in his way. when he turns 40, there's another side of kid rock i find compelling, which i hope to unravel for you. this guy, as a human being is as

fascinating as he is a rock star. >> morgan. >> mr. rock. ♪ a cowboy baby >> are you kid, are you bob, are you mr. rock? >> doesn't matter to me. my good friends call me bobby. my stage name is kid rock. whatever you feel comfortable with. >> you just turned 40. is there a point you have to change your name from kid? >> god, if i had 100 bucks every time somebody asked me that. not at all. >> i get the idea you enjoy not being a kid, but enjoy the wild side of life. you like being a rocker. >> i enjoy having a good time. that's true. >> how wild does it get? >> probably wilder than i'm willing to discuss right now.

>> do you know how much you have consumed over the years? >> no. i'm not going to be a, you know, will chamberlain or gene simmons and put numbers on. if i had a good time, i can say i think everybody around me has had a good time. i don't think anybody's walked away from the party being wild and saying i feel weird or used or that was dirty or something was wrong or bad. it might be dirty fun but at the same time, there's an element of clean to it. >> i like that. you are unashamedly a rocker. you like behaving bad. it's what rock stars do, right? >> i like who i am. i support i'm a crazy, wild dude. there's enough information to support i'm a single father that's been a stand-up guy in the community and i'm private about that stuff. it's on both sides.

>> is there anything you regret? >> no. >> nothing? >> nothing. >> that's quite a statement. >> you know, i'm not into losing. so, i would never pick a battle i'm not going to win. whether it's getting older in life or having regrets or anything else. i find the good in it all. >> how do you feel about that? >> great. >> you like it? >> i love it. >> why? >> i can't fight it. i'm not going to lose. i'm going to embrace every day, every year, every age. whatever comes. i can look back at everything and find great, great things in all that. find learning experiences. i'm looking forward to everything the good lord grants me. >> how long do you think you can rock? at what point is it embarrassing. >> i think i can rock for awhile. if you want to talk head

banging, i'm sure my body is not going to go with it. i'm trying to figure out how to grow old gracefully. >> vanity fare magazine has justin bieber on it. >> vanity fare. what did you call me? >> i've read the story. justin bieber was on the cover and they are building him up as the new face of music. what do you feel about that? >> there's always a justin bieber. there's always been one around. you can trace it around to the boy bands and the teen sensations. good for them. there's a few that make it out and a few that don't. there's a funny story. i met that kid not too long ago. he was like hey kid rock, what's up. i said bieber, what's up.

he said i got your old tour bus. i said i hope you got it sanitized. he chuckled. he's a nice enough kid. >> is there room for everyone in music? >> sure there is. the thing i wish in music is there's room for everyone. it comes to a ploy where people take advantage of situations. with people like in his realm, whatever you want to call it, what i have heard, the kid is talented. i don't know. i have never paid attention that hard. if somebody is talented, i think it's great. it influences others. keep digging into things that are good in life, not just marketable. i say if it looks good, you'll see it. if it sounds good you'll hear it. if it's real you'll feel it. i think that's the most important thing. i want to make sure kids are getting that feeling to make good choices in everything in life. >> we are in the era of brands

in all aspects of entertainment. you are a strong brand. it's a brand that relies, you know, on you continuing to be kid rock in all disguises. >> it relies on doing what i say and saying what i mean. the brand is here. if i endorse jim beam, it's because i have been singing about it. i know about beer, i like beer. >> how do you describe your brand? >> it's honest. it's real. >> do you believe you are -- it's a statement to say your brand is honesty. are you completely honest? have you ever been dishonest? >> i'm sure i have been dishonest at times. it might be for a reason of somebody maybe going to be hurt about something that's unnecessary but i say for the most part, yes. i'm 100% honest. >> what else do you stand for,

do you think? >> geez, where do you want to start? i stand for being proud of who you are. your heritage. what you come from. your country. just things you believe in and every day goodness in life. all those things don't have to be white and black. there can be middle ground. that's where i lie, right down the middle. >> you are a fighter in all senses. >> i stand-up for what i believe in. >> you are not afraid to defend yourself? >> i get nervous and scared like everybody. when push comes to shove, i have completed anger management twice with flying colors. >> what are they like, those courses? >> the first time i went, this was in detroit. very nice, older black woman. she had been through a lot. told me her story. we were talking. we filled out a questionnaire.

she said baby, you don't strike me as somebody who is angry. i said i think there's been a mix up with the sentencing from the judge. rather than anger management, think it should be aa. i definitely have a drinking problem. i don't know about anger but when i drink it's when the problems occur. >> are you only violent when you have been drinking? >> that's the stupid stuff, the fights and different things like that. you know, if it's something i believe in, if i'm standing up for a family member or somebody that can't defend themselves over something that is plain wrong -- >> you are sober now, right? >> what would it take for me to push you over the edge? you can control it in this environment? >> yeah. >> if you were in a bar -- >> this is a safe environment, by the way. >> i wouldn't go that far.

>> the ritz carlton, bright lights and cameras. >> when do you feel it descending? >> i don't know. i guess i'm too self-righteous at times. there's certain things i believe, you know. sometimes i get into trouble for defending friends over dumb things or defending a woman's honor. things i believe in and think are right. now, when i look back, i think they could be handled differently. >> you don't regret smacking tommy lee? >> no. >> he deserved it? >> yes. >> he deserved what came his way? >> absolutely. >> you don't regret those things. you think it's justified. >> can we rewind the tape to no regrets. no, i felt they were justified. i went to court for several of those things. i could have paid somebody off 20 or 50 grand. i sat in court to defend what i think is right, go after the

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i find fascinating. on the one hand, you are a wild rocker, not afraid to defend himself with his fist if need be. >> i'm not that violent. >> you say you have a bit of a drinking problem. yet there's a different side to you, which i find fascinating. when you go home and shut the door, you are an extraordinary character, a single character. you brought up a boy you have custody of. he's turned out to be a delightful young man. you stand-up for detroit. you fought the fight for them in many ways and you have a great integrity about you. it's in complete contrast to the way you are on stage.

>> i don't know about on stage. i think it's the off-stage antics that get captured by the cameras. i don't run from them. i'm not going to let a camera rain on my parade. it's what people see. it's the information out there. my home life has been private until i let a few people into my house to see. after watching so many programs and people are kind of grouped into my stereo typical category. i have been doing it well. now that my son is older, he's a man now and equipped with the tools to deal with it. >> how old is he now? >> 17. >> i have a 17-year-old son. they are not the easiest when they get to that age. you have done an extraordinary job with it. >> yes, he's my son and i have done a lot of the right things. the biggest thing i have done is realized the old saying, it

takes a village to raise a child. we had great family, great god parents. everybody around me is family. i live in a small town in northern michigan where there's no sunshine for four to five months a year. no pretty girls running around in bikinis and no palm trees. i wonder why i'm living there. what the hell am i doing. i could be in the hills of hollywood. i have worked hard and saved money. now, i look back and say i did the right thing. i look at my son and realize the community he's from. the only thing i care about is my community where i live. other than that, i can't go after and try to, you know, convince people i'm this or that around the world. i don't have the time or energy. there's too much fun to have in life. >> how do you think your relationship with your son is dictated by your relationship

with your father? how have you been different? >> well, i never paddled him that much. >> you never smacked your son? >> he got a few. he got a few on the hand when he was young. i snapped the belt a few times. >> nothing like you got? >> i think his grandfather got him when he got older. the one that got me. looking back on it, it's different times. my mother used to send me to school with a note pinned on me in grade school saying you have permission to spank bobby if he gets out of line. >> really? >> yeah. i guess i'm getting old now, telling these stories. >> what kind of dad do you think you have been? >> i think i've been a good dad. i'm positive he would tell you the same. as proud as i am of him, i think he's proud of me. we are not friends, i'm his father still. i try to make the clear line in there. it would have been easy at times

when someone else has to discipline him when i'm on the road, whoever, i have always been the one to step in, you know, and lay the finger down. i'm your father, you know, this is the law of the land on this roof. at the same time, we are very close. >> what do you think the law of the land should be for your son? >> show respect to the people around you, especially have respect for as much as i'm gone. i have tried to adjust my schedule to be home, it's just not the way it is. how fortunate we are to have the things we have. other people gone from homes, military members, people in business that travel a lot. it's the way it is for a lot of kids. a few times in his life, it stinks, you're famous, i have to read about you in the paper and get teased in school. i say it's a nice bed you have upstairs and a nice car we drive to school every day.

calm down. >> if you started taking drugs, would you be serious about that? >> he attended malibu high school for one month. it was a total culture shock to him. i picked him up the first day of school, small town, rural michigan, malibu high school. i picked him up he said -- i said how was school today. he started to huff and puff. he said it sucked. all the kids do is ride skateboards and do drugs. i looked at him and said hey, stay off them skateboards. >> when we come back -- >> i wish i could have had a conversation with lebron james to say like, you know, what don't you understand about women? introducing the schwab mobile app. it's schwab at your fingertips wherever, whenever you want. one log in lets you monitor all of your balances and transfer between accounts, so your money can move as fast as you do. check out your portfolio, track the market with live updates.

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you almost need an angel. ♪ this is my hometown >> i want to talk to you about detroit. this is your heartland. it's become like new jersey is to bruce springsteen. why is it important to you? what does it mean to you? >> it's where i'm from. my family and my roots are there. i'm proud of where i come from at every level. i wish i had a better answer for you. that's the heart of it. >> when you sing about detroit, what is going through your mind? you sing with passion and eloquence about it. >> everything i have done in my career started in and around detroit, the metro area in michigan. i say this is my house, but it was built by a lot of hands. those hands were there from day

one. anything i have done, the records i sold. the first time i sold an arena out. any companies i have started. you know, i have had a lot of friends on both sides, the suburbs and city. it seemed like the politicians were the ones in their throats. the rich suburbs are messing everything up. we don't want it in our suburbs. it was me growing up, it wasn't like that with the people and the kids my age. once i started to get successful, i saw an opportunity to help people out. i believe in helping your neighbor out first. there's opportunities i try to help out, but it's just writing a check. >> i checked out a few of these things. you wrote about a pizza delivery boy in ohio that was robbed for $15. you paid for his college for a year. it's not just handing out a check. it's taking a vested interest in

his future. another story, you helped a guy out. his american flag kept being stolen. you bought him a 30-foot pole. i love these stories because they are different to the average rock star. people don't do that. >> i look at that as the community i'm in. i go to the markets and take out dollars. people spend their hard-earned money to come see me. i dawned on me. i conflict about that. i don't like to put it on a flag and wave it around. since you brought it up, i feel like i'm taking dollars out of the markets. i read the paper. is there something in the paper, a story i can just help somebody out? >> how often do you do that? >> as often as i can. you go to a city and there's not an opportunity to touch somebody directly. there's always a national story.

right there in that community, there's not always. i do as often as i can. it's fun. as tragic as it sounds, it's fun to do something good for somebody when you are able to. >> detroit, honestly is the center of the car industry and being decimated through the recession. you have seen that. how bad has it been, do you think, in reality and where is it now? >> when it really started hitting, detroit has been devastated for a lot of years. just look at the population decrease since the '67 riots, losing 67 million people was devastating. then when it started to creep into the suburbs and the auto industry and now hitting the white collars, people are scared to say anything to you, embarrassed. you look at the foreclosure sign then they are gone. can't take their kids here and this and that. now, i see people in detroit are like a lot of cities.

they are very proud to be from there. they want to see change and good things happen. >> you prefer being a big fish in a small pond? >> i get treated, i mean i get treated beyond belief there. they give me a lot of love back. there's nothing on earth -- i wish i could have a conversation with lebron james. i have met him several times. i would say he's a friend. what don't you understand about winning? you have already won. you are from akron. you play -- just by saying i'm going to play in my hometown. you can go anywhere in the world but you are literally a king there. that's how i feel in detroit. no one can every take that from me. that love. there's nothing like being loved. >> would you switch allegiance?

>> never. i try to make a lot of money. i have never made an unhonest dollar off a working man's back. i can hold my head up and walk anywhere in the world knowing that. i don't have to drive around in a tinted rolls-royce. i'm proud of that. i want to make a lot of money. i want to make it honestly. it sets you free. you can tell somebody -- when they are coming at you saying we are going to pay this. i have walked away from shows where they are not treating the crew right. they don't have dressing rooms for the girls. they think you ought to be privileged to be on the show. i sago [ bleep ] yourself. have fun. >> money brings you that power, doesn't it? >> yeah. >> do you feel guilty about the money you have? you go back to detroit and see so many jobless? do you feel you put enough money into the city? >> it's a weird thing.

it's the people with so little. then, you know, you try to figure how can i divvy it up? it comes to a point where you can't. you have to give people the tools. i won't loan people money anymore. i have had friends where they are like, i'm an electrician i'm like learn how to be a master electrician. >> what is the most extravagant thing you have ever bought? >> a 19 -- original 1930 cadillac. >> how much was that? >> it was just under $500,000. also, it's a piece of detroit history. >> your dad used to make american cars. >> he worked in the steel mills. my dad sold cars, built his own dealership from scratch. it's not only an investment. it's not going to lose money. it's something that is really a piece of american and detroit

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♪ >> it was inthuz yastic. people like kid rock care about ordinary soldiers. ♪ waking, pace iing ♪ >> you are obviously a very well known patriot. you fly a lot to afghanistan to play for the troops. are you a traditional republican? >> no. >> you seem complicated politically. you are not either one or the other, really? you are more for one than a party. >> i'm like the majority of people we don't want bible thumpers running the country and we don't want pot-smoking hippies running it. people are like hey, chill out. let's figure this out and give people the opportunities and the tools to, we say live the american dream. i know there's things wrong on

both sides. belief wise, more republican and less government and creating opportunity. if you had to strictly say one of those, yes, i sway more that way. then i would sway left on other issues. >> do you think the wars in afghanistan and iraq have been justified? >> you know, that's tough to say. when you get into politics, i know this much. i don't study political science. >> forget the politics. are we winning from what you have seen? >> we need to have a presence on the ground. it's like somebody keeping an eye on the bully around town. if you let them free, he's going to work up a scheme and a scam to get you. we need to be over there and doing a lot of things we don't need to know about. things people don't need to see. they need to pay their taxes. if you are born free somewhere, whatever, born free somewhere, it's a great thing by the grace

of god to be born free. pay your taxes and people go out to protect you to make sure you can sleep at night and planes not flying over dropping bombs. i think it's a necessary evil. i don't know if we are doing it exactly right. i don't know everything about it. i have been there several times. my thing is to entertain the troops. i have had conversations with them. the majority of the guys believe in their country and they are patriotic. it's why they are there. >> it's not saying the wars are just. you can support the troops. my brother did a tour of afghanistan. it's difficult if you look at it, are we winning from what you are seeing there? >> we are on a plane with human remains and an american flag draped over a casket. at that point, no. at that point you say no, it's not worth it at all. then, you know, you start to analyze it and look through history, there's a lot of people

that died to make our country free and other countries around the world to help out other countries. war is never a good thing, but i think it's necessary. >> when you travel around europe, asia and other countries, not many americans do. when you do, what do you think the perception of your country is? >> misunderstood. we took a lot of flak. maybe some of it just for the iraq war. a lot of things bush did. i wasn't in bush's shoes. i don't know what that was like. they kind of looked down. i think they forget. that's what gets me angry. people forget the first time there's a natural disaster in the world, who is the first to send money? it's our tax dollars. when a country is invaded, we go first. it's been like that for a lot of

years. go to kuwait and people are like thank you, thank you. in one sense, we did save their country from being attacked. saddam hussein was a bad, bad man. i think we could have taken them out better than devastating their country but what do i know? i sing rock and roll songs. usually, i share these beliefs with friends and family not the whole world. >> you are not a democrat. what does being an american mean to you? >> having the freedom to do whatever you want without taking advantage. the problem in america and all over the world, people take advantage of things. to be american to me means have the freedom, choose and be who you want to be and have a shot at that american dream. whatever you want it to be, whether getting a good job, raising a family, getting a good piece of land, being free.

the ultimate sense of being free, more free than anywhere else in the world. >> do you feel the american dream is still what it used to be? >> i don't know. sometimes i shake a finger at those baby boomers and wonder if they did some damage there. i talked to my dad about this and several people. i think the dream is still there. i think it's more difficult nowada nowadays. i think there's plenty of new opportunities created with the internet and technology coming out. i think it's always going to be there. as long as every once in awhile when you are driving fast, you get off the course a little bit. i think we were just jerking the wheel trying to get back on it. next, the question i just had to ask -- >> so you declared several times you have no regrets. i would like to offer one suggestion. your marriage to pamela anderson. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination

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one of the 12 jurors says the jury was sick to their stomach after the decision. we'll tell you why. was it a premature rush to judgment? the sexual assault case against dominique strauss-kahn. the case may never go to trial. plus a high stakes battle of chicken. nothing less than the global economy is at risk. the tea party rand paul is firm in his decision. my interview in politics at the top of the hour. more piers morgan in a moment.

so you declared several times that you have no regrets. i would like to offer one suggestion. your marriage to pamela ander southern. >> i don't regret that. >> no? >> it was a blast. >> it was a blast? >> what do you mean it was a blast. do you live in a cage? i'm not going to get into it -- discussions have been covered. getting married was some of the most fun i have had in my life.

i don't know a time when i have had so much fun. we loved it so much we got married four or five times. on the flip side being married sucks. she's a crazy, crazy chick, right? >> i'm not going to get into it. it was part of my life. i moved on. it's done. you know, you're not the first one to take a shot. >> you hate talking about it. >> i don't hate talking about it, i have covered it. >> i would argue pamela anderson changed your life for the better in the sense that you learned a lot. you came out a different guy, a better guy. >> who are you going to argue that with. >> am i right? >> i'm not taking a debate. >> am i right? you can't even say that?

come on. >> i have learned lessons all through life, taught a cupping, too. >> does it put you off, marriage? >> what's that? >> would you get married again? >> right now, i would say no. but,ive learned to never say no. >> is there anyone special in your life? >> yes. >> you want to elaborate? >> nope. you know what happens with that? you put these people out and you declare your love for them and the press gets interested. sometimes it destroys the other person's life. this is somebody who is not a celebrity. it could be a tough thing to deal with for somebody on the other side. i'm thinking of someone else, not being so selfish. it's better in the end. whatever is going to be is going

to be. if, for some reason things go one way or another, at least you protected them. >> you like women, you have always liked women. you love women, right? >> i have no problem with women. >> could you imagine settling down with one woman for the rest of your life? do you think it's in your make up? >> it's always been in my make up but it's not the opportunity that's afforded me that. >> all the temptation on the road, it's outrageous, isn't it? >> chris rock said it in his comedy. it's true. you are only as faithful as your options. >> how many options do you get? >> ever been to baskin-robbins? >> do you like that? do you still get the same buzz out of it? >> it's a lot of fun. i was not the prettiest kid. >> you got lucky. >> totally. i wanted to pick up a guitar and

play rock and roll to get a new car and hot girl. i never expected the rest to happen. i never thought i'd be involved in charities and hanging out in the white house. mind blowing events. it's pretty cool. >> has it been all you hoped it would be? >> yeah. >> and do you like being famous? >> yes. >> what are the best things about fame, do you think? >> the best things about fame, well the money don't suck. let's start there. >> how much have you made? >> a lot. >> do you know how much? >> it's none of your business. i wish you would stay out of my personal affairs. >> my sister got in her account and said we had no idea. >> about how rich you are? >> you could say that. i don't keep notes.

i live in a small place called nashville. i have said to my band and the people around me live under your means. enjoy the little things in life so you don't have to get up and go to work every day. you can put as much gas in one of the two cars you have and enjoy the little things. think back to when the little things were, you know, like climbing mountains in your mind. >> when we return, kid rock and his big beef with stephen tyler. >> why do you think he sold out by doing "idol"? at bayer, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles, enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. it's actually a connecting rod coming out to the side of the block this is a big piece of the engine block that was blown off.

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>> your song "born free "is ripping up the charts. tell me about it. >> a record produced by a good friend of mine, rick reuben, who's done a lot of good records. probably the most honest album i've done with great song writing, great musicians. taking it back to the records i loved to listen to as i grew up, honest guys in the room with no trick players, no trick tracks, no wizardry, just making honest music. it's the best i could do. >> is it the best you've done, do you think? >> i think so, yes. >> are you an emotional guy? >> not really. >> when was the last time you cried? >> when i found out my dad had a heart attack. >> and for you, obviously the time you were riding high, everything is going great and you get hit by this sort of hammer blow. >> yeah. >> what does that tell you when that sort of thing happens to your in your life, do you think? >> care about somebody, care about your family deeply. it brings you back to the same thing i've always believed in,

what's really important in life. i don't think i've ever had a gray area there. i've always been thankful that i learned at a young age what really important is inn life and that is your family and friends. no question. >> if you look back over your life and career, what would be the moment that you would replay again? if you knew you were going to die tomorrow, what would be the one thing you'd like it relive? >> gee, i don't know. it might be -- it might be something as simple as walking my son to school, seeing him in his little carhart snow suit all bundled up with the hat, marching down to class, me starting to get famous and people knowing who i am. and coming home after school and turning on mtv to see what my video was. like we're going to get a new house soon. stuff like that. probably moments with him that we shared together. because he's kind of seen it all unfold even though he was kind of probably 5, 6, 7 years old where i started to really gain

some money and success and stuff. he saw enough down here to -- probably the stuff we've experienced together. we've both gone through a lot together. >> how important to you is your credibility? >> it depends to who. >> it was interesting when i saw you attacking steven tyler. he's a friend of yours. >> not attacking steven tyler. >> let's rephrase that. when you were being pretty highly critical of his decision to do american idol. >> i don't think it's a good move. >> you were honest. but when you did that, it seemed to me you were sort of saying, thinks is not the kind of thing a guy like him should do. he's a bona fide rock star. >> in my opinion, yes. >> he said that you were jealous. >> it was funny. i was a little upset with him, actually. i just recently saw him and i was like, that's as good as you could do? i followed your career for years. i'm not only a friend, i'm a fan. i was like i expected so much more out of you. i'm walking material. all you have to do is google me. you could rip me for days on anything. >> why did you think that he sold out by doing "idol"?

>> i didn't say sold out. i said i thought it was a bad move. because he's one of the most credible rock singers in american history. and i don't agree with the premise of that show. i don't knock the kids who go on and try it. and i understand they want to be stars. but i'm a believer you've got to get some scars and some feel. and there's a certain path you got to take in life with anything you do. before you own the garage you got to learn how to weep the floors. i believe that. i was taught that. and i think the worst thing in life is the biggest curse would be to be famous without any money. and i think that's what that show does to a lot of people. and i don't think he needs to be down there telling kids if they can sing or not in teeny bopper land. it's been said to me, too, i've said this many times. it's kind of funny and true that a buddy of mine gave me some crap. who do you think you are? 30 million people a week who watch that show and you're on your high horse saying they can't use your songs and you say it's no good. i go, well, i'm not a mathematician, but the last time i checked there's 300 million

people am america and i'd like to talk to the 270 million who don't watch that [ expletive ]. >> your other big thing is about itunes. even the beatles have cracked now. but you stand out now like a -- why are you continuing to resist? what's the principle at stake here for you? >> well, it's very deep and it's very honest. i'm going to be very candid with you. i don't like being told what to do [ laughter ] >> that i can believe. >> i will say this. just so there's no misconceptions. i'm not only a fan of apple products, i have stock in the company. i think steve jobs has started one of the greatest american corporations, one of the greatest corporations in the world the last 30 years, whatever it's been. and i appreciate the way he says, you know what, it's my company. sell your music for this amount of money. i'm going to run it the way i like it. if you don't like it, screw off. i can relate to that. it's exactly how i run my companies. >> but here's the irony of your

position. everyone thought you were mad, being obstinate. and yet i read a report very recently suggesting that you've made more money staying out of itunes than you would have done if you'd gone into it. >> i've made the record company a lot more money, yes. i made myself a couple extra dollars, but i don't think anybody out there wants their money back that doesn't like the album front to end. come on. bring it back. but i just don't think that everything costs the same price. i think that's unamerican. everything is not the same price at any level. there's things that hold value. and you put value on it by money. that's how our system works. i've said before, i said, well, just tell itunes this. i'll be on itunes but i want to sell one of my hit song's -- say "picture" i want to sell that for 79 cents and want to give two other songs for free. now they're really confused. want to do it cheaper? sure, why not? let me make the deals. let me figure out the packages i want to sell to my fans. let's all be creative that way. at the end of the day, too, i've said this many times, i believe

that if a product is that good people will buy it. it's not about the convenience of it that you can just buy it at the click of a button that. hasn't done anything to help the state of music and the quality of music we're listening to at any level. i believe if they make the greatest lawn mower in the world and the only place you can get it is toledo, ohio and it's that great, people will travel there to get that lawn mower. >> things you would travel a long way to get, this is a bottle of your bad ass lager. i have to warn you, i'm a connoisseur of beer because i just bought a pub in london. >> hill billy style. >> is that with your lighter? so thinks is the ultimate test. i just bought a pub in london. >> i want to share one with you. >> i know my beer. >> not going to let you think alone. what's your pub called? >> handsome cab in kensington. so we're in together. kid rock, thank you. kid rock, thank you. >> terrible. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com